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are paying taxes some other way. >> corporations pass along taxes to their consumers anyway. to the customers as well, right, so then you're sort of saying they're going to get stuck with it. shareholders would get stuck with part of it and it also gets passed along with, that seems self-defeating, too. >> we're talking about lowering corporate taxes on the shareholders. on the beneficiaries of those higher. >> you worked in the white house, steve. you know the president. >> i do. >> you know the way he thinks and frankly many of his cabinet members and those quhis pwhispe his ear thing. he'll barnstorm the country and talk about the 39.6%, talking about marginal rates. where is the room to the extent you believe there's room, to compromise, with a house that doesn't want to talk about marginal rates at all? where is the white house able to compromise? >> i've been doing deals for many years, greg has, there's always compromise. could you put the buffett rule in to raise a bit of money over here? the beauty of this situation, it's difficult, but the beauty of it is, it's not
are paying taxes some other way. >> corporations pass along taxes to their consumers anyway. to the customers as well, right, so then you're sort of saying they're going to get stuck with it. shareholders would get stuck with part of it and it also gets passed along with, that seems self-defeating, too. >> we're talking about lowering corporate taxes on the shareholders. on the beneficiaries of those higher. >> you worked in the white house, steve. you know the president....
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minimum tax. the white house report estimates that consumer spending would fall by $200 million. now that's more than three times what consumers spent just over this entire holiday weekend. there could be a drag on a range of industries from cars and housing to restaurants and supermarkets, if congress can't reach a deal. and look, pocketbook issues are not the only problem here. carl levin, the democratic senator and chair of the armed services committee said automatic cuts to government spending could impact public safety. >> i think you should be worried if you have a defense job and we all ought to be worried whether we are dependent upon other aspects of the federal budget. whether we're worried about the regulation of our food safety, whether we're worried about our borders being secure, whether we're worried about fbi being supported, it's all affected by sequestration. >> joining me now, cnbc washington reporter eamon javers. you heard the numbers we just ran down. what is the short-term t
minimum tax. the white house report estimates that consumer spending would fall by $200 million. now that's more than three times what consumers spent just over this entire holiday weekend. there could be a drag on a range of industries from cars and housing to restaurants and supermarkets, if congress can't reach a deal. and look, pocketbook issues are not the only problem here. carl levin, the democratic senator and chair of the armed services committee said automatic cuts to government...
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republicans are resisting the idea that inleasing tax rates on the wealthy will steer the country away from the fiscal cliff even though suspects insist it will. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates, but i believe that we can close a lot of lop holes. >> they have to go up, real or effective tax rates, there are ways of doing this and secondly, we have to gross loopholes. >> lindsey graham is okay with new revenue and willing to cap deductions to get it, but only if democrats agree to reform entitlements like social security and medicare. >> i don't expect the democrats to go for premium ouci do expect them to adjust these entitlement programs before they bankrupt the company. some entilement reform is okay with illinois democratic senator dig durbin, but thinks that social security should be left alone. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. not a penny. it's a separate funded operation and we can do things and i believe we should, smaller things played out long-term that give it solvency. >> and congressman peter king says nobody will get all they want
republicans are resisting the idea that inleasing tax rates on the wealthy will steer the country away from the fiscal cliff even though suspects insist it will. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates, but i believe that we can close a lot of lop holes. >> they have to go up, real or effective tax rates, there are ways of doing this and secondly, we have to gross loopholes. >> lindsey graham is okay with new revenue and willing to cap deductions to get it, but...
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some selling for tax purpose bus i think we'll sit quiet as we wait to see what happens on the fiscal cliff. >>> happening now, protesters are filling the streets of cairo and camping out in tahrir square today as political unrest grows and we are giving you a live look at the scene right now in cairo. the protests are in response to president muhammed morsi's massive expansion of his powers. among his new powers, immunity from the nation's courts. morsi said the new powers are needed to hurry up the transition process from decades of rule by former dictator hawes kn -- hosni mubarak. >>> 6:57. we've been talking about the fog all morning long. we want to check the forecast with meteorologist christina loren. >> now we're getting to the worst point when it comes to that fog formation between 7:00 and 9:00. after 9:00 it should start to burn off and we are expecting quite a beautiful finish to the day. this is a live look at the sunol grade and you can see that fog has settled in but we've got a beautiful clear sky above. it's just going to take a little time for the sun to break throu
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not tax rates but revenue. here's two senators in interviews over the last two days. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates but i think grover is wrong whether it comes to we can't cap deductions and buy down debt. what do you do with the money? i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseens aware. i was just elected. i made aware the only thing i'm honoring is the oath i take when i'm sworn in this january. >> both of these senators are saying they aren't going to be browned by grover norquist from americans for tax reform. this is an issue bigger than norquist. the republican party has positioned itself as the smaller government, anti-tax party. but they've lost an election and it appears that republicans in the senate will see about the house, already to give some ground. >> john, thank you. that's good news. looks like at least
not tax rates but revenue. here's two senators in interviews over the last two days. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates but i think grover is wrong whether it comes to we can't cap deductions and buy down debt. what do you do with the money? i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseens aware. i was...
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and if this fiscal cliff is allowed to happen on january 1, your taxes, my taxes, everybody's taxes go up. and on that point, let's continue. top of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. i want to begin with the fiscal cliff. because other news here, you have republican senator saxby chambliss, a two-term conservative from the red state south, but just this past weekend, the tea party nation website labeled him, i'm quoting, worthless and a liar. what did he say to deserve these words? he said he's willing to break the no tax pledge that he made when he first ran for office. and guess what? now he has company. fellow republican senators lindsey graham and bob corker say that under the right circumstances, they too are willing to break ranks. what is the republican world coming to? john avalon, straight to you, cnn contributor, writer for daily beast newsweek. i want to get your reaction to the news we heard from jay carney, we now know the president has spoken by phone over the weekend with boehner and mcconnell. might this be progress? >> yes, it might be progress. that's a good thing. you go
and if this fiscal cliff is allowed to happen on january 1, your taxes, my taxes, everybody's taxes go up. and on that point, let's continue. top of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. i want to begin with the fiscal cliff. because other news here, you have republican senator saxby chambliss, a two-term conservative from the red state south, but just this past weekend, the tea party nation website labeled him, i'm quoting, worthless and a liar. what did he say to deserve these words? he said he's...
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the use of tax havens to avoid paying taxes in this country is an outrage. we can end it. there's tens of billions of dollars a year involved in closing those kinds of offshore loopholes. >> i'm going to leave it there. senator levin, thank you for being here. hope you had a good holiday. >>> i want to turn to the republican side. peter king of new york. congressman, hope you had a good holiday. good to see you this morning. >> i had a great holiday, especially because notre dame beat southern cal. >> my poor step dad. he is not so happy this morning. >> i don't care about him. >> let me continue on the issue of taxes because this is important. and as i say, it's going to be the defining issue. you hear republican saxby chambliss say it's not going to govern what i do. norquist saying he promised the people of georgia that he would reform the government rather than raise taxes. where do you stand on the pledge? can this be overcome? with revenues be raised? >> first of all, i agree with chambliss. a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. for in
the use of tax havens to avoid paying taxes in this country is an outrage. we can end it. there's tens of billions of dollars a year involved in closing those kinds of offshore loopholes. >> i'm going to leave it there. senator levin, thank you for being here. hope you had a good holiday. >>> i want to turn to the republican side. peter king of new york. congressman, hope you had a good holiday. good to see you this morning. >> i had a great holiday, especially because...
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we have just heard from the city tax collector's of bureau of revenue. they are filing this legal action. they confirm the city is going to go after the los angeles dodgers for reimbursement in the treatment of bryan stow. the giants fan who was severely beaten outside of a dodgers game. to help pay for the four months of care it treated stow's injury. the city attorneys have asked a bankruptcy judge to add san francisco to those seeking damage from the team's insurer. this is a bankruptcy issue because the team filed chapter 11. this was a controversy. the city says this is not unusual, but standard practice to go after unpaid bills. it is taking all steps to protect the city's interests. stow and his family is suing the team frin the amount of $50 million. the amount needed for a lifetime of care. reporting live outside san francisco city hall, bob redell, nbc bay area news. >>> now to the south bay. citizens will have a say on who will be the next san jose police chief. city leaders will hold a community meeting tonight to gather input from neighborho
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cbo says middle class tax cuts are imperative, not ohioer income tax cuts. that's a fact. >> i think it's very possible and i think what has to happen now is that the republicans, many who say they're no longer listening to grover cleveland, at least not bound by his pledge, now need to listen to the electorate and the electorate has spoken. they say address the cliff. do so by extending middle class tax cuts but not those for upper income tax pairs becauyers -- >> i'm sure you were being cheeky there. listen, the issue, though, is that the spirit of our problem long term is too much spending. historically, you raise the taxes, then the spending cuts don't happen. and then what does that mean? that means future generations, like the ones today, are now facing higher taxes because of spending cuts that never came. what do you say to folks who say, if we raise taxes now, in the end you guys will never cut? >> because there will be some spending cuts in -- addressing the cliff. the budget control act, we did cut spending. we know it has to be done. first we hav
cbo says middle class tax cuts are imperative, not ohioer income tax cuts. that's a fact. >> i think it's very possible and i think what has to happen now is that the republicans, many who say they're no longer listening to grover cleveland, at least not bound by his pledge, now need to listen to the electorate and the electorate has spoken. they say address the cliff. do so by extending middle class tax cuts but not those for upper income tax pairs becauyers -- >> i'm sure you were...
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tax issue. if you are a small business owner and you have a gadget to sell out of your garage and you work hard, you don't the money to comply with the different state laws across the country. whatever you call them. >> bob: we are not alone. a lot of republican governors are for taxing the internet. >> eric: in new jersey, i believe you don't pay sales tax on clothes. add sales tax on clothes there? >> brian: absolutely. >> eric: that is because you're from new york. >> dana: it should be fair. should you tax food? chocolate or not? it goes on and on. >> bob: if you talk about fair, how is it fair that people that go to the brick and mortar stores that pay taxes and other people on the internet don't. >> dana: we will explain it in the break. we have to go. major power grab in egypt. susan rice blames the intel community. the anti-muslim video that we talk, he will speak for the first time. the foreign policy roundup is next. in [ male announcer ] are you considering a new medicare plan? then y
tax issue. if you are a small business owner and you have a gadget to sell out of your garage and you work hard, you don't the money to comply with the different state laws across the country. whatever you call them. >> bob: we are not alone. a lot of republican governors are for taxing the internet. >> eric: in new jersey, i believe you don't pay sales tax on clothes. add sales tax on clothes there? >> brian: absolutely. >> eric: that is because you're from new york....
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. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates. but i do believe we can close a lot of loopholes. >> reporter: and democrats say just closing loopholes and cutting deductions isn't enough. >> you've got to raise additional revenues, including tax rates on the wealthy. >> those have to go up? >> they have to go up. >> reporter: in any deal, republicans insist on big cuts to entitlement programs like medicare and social security. now taxes are getting all the attention right now but these talks also need to address the federal debt limit. it's set by law at $16.4 trillion. the nation is already approaching the national debt of $16.3 trillion. nobody wants a repeat of that summer standoff we went through last year. >> certainly so. susan mcginness in washington this morning, thank you so much. >>> while washington is worried about the fiscal cliff it appears the average american is looking to spend. the holiday shopping season got started in record fashion thanksgiving night and the spending spree lasted through the weekend. according
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but not raising taxes. lindsay graham goes on to something else that he throws out here. >> i agree with we shouldn't raise rates, but i think grover is wrong. what do you do with the money? buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short for the good of the country, only if democrat will do entitlement reform. >> bill: oh, peter you listen to what these people are saying that's why the media has it all wrong. they are falling for this republican line of crap. republicans lost this election. this was mitt romney's deal. and president obama said we have to have an balanced deal we're going to cut spending to the bone, but you have also got to get rid of those bush tax cuts for the wealthiest of americans, and put it back where it was under president clinton, the greatest economic growth in our lifetime. americans went with president obama's idea. it's now time for republicans to accept this is what the americans want. but instead this is more republican propaganda,
but not raising taxes. lindsay graham goes on to something else that he throws out here. >> i agree with we shouldn't raise rates, but i think grover is wrong. what do you do with the money? buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short for the good of the country, only if democrat will do entitlement reform. >> bill: oh, peter you listen to what these people are saying that's why the media has it all wrong. they are falling for this...
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otherwise taxes will go up and major taxes will be triggered. senators lindsey graham and saxby champ blins are suggesting they would be willing to break their no tax pledge to get a budget deal done. today is day six of the cease-fire between israel and hamas and delegations from both sides are in cairo to meet separately with representatives from egypt which helped broker the cease-fire along with the united states. hamas says the latest round of talks will focus on border crossings and easings of the economic blockade of gaza. >>> the bodies of a northern california couple have been recovered after they were swept out to sea trying to save their dog. the family was playing fetch with their dog north of eureka on saturday. the dog chased after a stick and got pulled into the ocean by eight to ten foot waves. the boy and his parents followed the dog into the water. >> horrible story. >> feeling lucky? no grand prize winner saturday night. the jackpot for wednesday's powerball drawing is up to $425 million. that number could go even higher depen
otherwise taxes will go up and major taxes will be triggered. senators lindsey graham and saxby champ blins are suggesting they would be willing to break their no tax pledge to get a budget deal done. today is day six of the cease-fire between israel and hamas and delegations from both sides are in cairo to meet separately with representatives from egypt which helped broker the cease-fire along with the united states. hamas says the latest round of talks will focus on border crossings and...
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what's the one tax rate going up january 1st that no one's talking about? the payroll tax. remember that? it was cut from 12 to 10%. i gather the republicans have no problem -- i don't know -- but letting working class and middle class americans have a 2% tax increase. that's not currently the republican position that the payroll tax cut should be extended. they're happy to let it go because god forbid they cut entitlements for wealthy seniors. we have a collusion among the elites of both parties. the one tax that goes up january 1, if there's a deal s payroll tax, which i think is wrong. republicans have a opportunity to be champions of the working class. >> kirsten, some democrats are saying let's go over the cliff. everybody's tax rates are going to go up and then the president in january can go to congress and say now it's 39.6% and whatever it is for middle class and i'll present a plan that will cut the tax rates of 98% of people, are you prepared now, when the rate is already up, to oppose that? >> the problem with that plan is it's dangerous because we don't know ho
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revenues and raising tax rates. i get it. but do your constituents get it? >> isn't this where i'm supposed to confess my sins to my preacher. >> when you have four people dead, how do you call that hype? >> how many security contractors died in iraq. do you know? >> i don't. >> as u.n. ambassador, she has an obligation not just to be a puppet. >> when i see this focus on what was essentially a small fire fight, it's impossible to figure out what happens on them sometimes. >> she could conceivably get your vote. >> the emphasis has been extremely political probably because fox was operating as a wing of the political party. >> tom ricks, thank you for joining us. >> as far as young women are concerned, i can state my position on abortion. other than that leave the issue alone. >> 20 hail marys, 20 our fathers. ja let's get to our fanl. ana marie cox is a correspondent for "the guardian," and msnbc political analyst karen finney. karen, we just heard senator john mccain a moment ago in "top lines" saying, okay, from
revenues and raising tax rates. i get it. but do your constituents get it? >> isn't this where i'm supposed to confess my sins to my preacher. >> when you have four people dead, how do you call that hype? >> how many security contractors died in iraq. do you know? >> i don't. >> as u.n. ambassador, she has an obligation not just to be a puppet. >> when i see this focus on what was essentially a small fire fight, it's impossible to figure out what happens on...
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between the expiration of the bush tax cuts and higher taxes, for obamacare, the top capital gains rate will jump from 15% to 23.8, and listen to this: the top rate on dividends will jump from 15% to 43.4. how are, mr. sweeney, investors reacting to those possible, very stiff tax hikes? >> well, to that point, you want some clarity and whether the clarity comes in your personal economy at home, whether, you are a ceo or cfo of a corporation you want clarity how to spend the cash you have accumulated on your balance sheet or, if you are the government you want to figure out how to impact the spending you have at the federal level as well. americans are looking for clarity, so they can make the decisions, and, in terms of purchasing short-term christmas gifts for the next selling season or whether, again, if you are a ceo and trying to think of investing in a plant or hiring new people -- >> if i may, sir, specifically, if you have a stock and you see your capital gains, if you sell the stock, could go from 15% to 24%, at the -- on january 1st, are some people cashing out now? >> well, wh
between the expiration of the bush tax cuts and higher taxes, for obamacare, the top capital gains rate will jump from 15% to 23.8, and listen to this: the top rate on dividends will jump from 15% to 43.4. how are, mr. sweeney, investors reacting to those possible, very stiff tax hikes? >> well, to that point, you want some clarity and whether the clarity comes in your personal economy at home, whether, you are a ceo or cfo of a corporation you want clarity how to spend the cash you have...
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some say i want to make more taxes and do not raise taxes. [talking over each other] >> walgreen's is saying we want to make investments to create jobs. what you guys in washington d.c. are going to do, what is coming down the road from you and we had this debate about john boehner basically saying we got to put obamacare -- [talking over each other] liz: putting obamacare into the fiscal cliff negotiations so for two large drugstore chains to say you got to get going. gerri: interesting to see if he derail everything. liz: they have a seat at the table. is not political. it seems to me when you read what they say it is not like they are saying we want a voice in what is going on. there saying our custome are concerned. of course it is a revenue problem. shoppers and consumers are not coming in because ey're worried about the fiscal cliff. gerri: all singing the with one voice. interesting to see if anybody hears that. thanks for coming on. appreciate it. guess what else has joined the fiscal liftoff? the federal gas tax, special interests in
some say i want to make more taxes and do not raise taxes. [talking over each other] >> walgreen's is saying we want to make investments to create jobs. what you guys in washington d.c. are going to do, what is coming down the road from you and we had this debate about john boehner basically saying we got to put obamacare -- [talking over each other] liz: putting obamacare into the fiscal cliff negotiations so for two large drugstore chains to say you got to get going. gerri: interesting...
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the atm tax is going to get a patch. we know we're going to see benefits given to our -- unemployment benefits given and veteran benefits gimp. it seems like this year we have a nice new fun name. i know you hate it steesh, but the fiscal cliff. we put that scary name on it as if that's going to motivate our elected officials. all i see is a press release them saying they're going to fight for us and until the end of the day they're not going to do anything until we see a nice countdown clock. >> as per zblushl but the republicans need that clock more than the democrats do, don't they? >> they do. the fact is we need to find a path way to yes and i think the sooner we do it the better it is politically to move off. >> yeah. no. i mean i was just going to say, republicans -- the problem here for republicans is they're trying to get off this 22-year rae fusal to raise taxes, and think to cut any kind of a deal, they almost -- even if the deal -- the parameters are in place they have to go to the very edge. we held out as l
the atm tax is going to get a patch. we know we're going to see benefits given to our -- unemployment benefits given and veteran benefits gimp. it seems like this year we have a nice new fun name. i know you hate it steesh, but the fiscal cliff. we put that scary name on it as if that's going to motivate our elected officials. all i see is a press release them saying they're going to fight for us and until the end of the day they're not going to do anything until we see a nice countdown clock....
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the white house is saying, if these tax cuts go away for the middle class and taxes rise and the amt patch goes away and taxes rise on the middle class, it would dramatically slow growth in gdp next year and would mean $200 billion less in consumers' pockets. what is this right out of the white house report? this reduction of $200 billion is approximately four times the total amount of the 226 million shoppers they spent on black friday weekend last year. they're trying to show you just how important all that money is in the economy if you have those taxes rise on the middle class. it's really, john, the latest from the white house. it comes on the same day warren buffett writing in the "new york times" in an op-ed saying rich is $500,000 a year, and let's tax them. let's have a 30% minimum tax for the income above $1 million of rich people. look what he said here. the "forbes" 400, wealthiest individuals in america hit a new group record. $1.7 trillion, more than five times the $300 billion total in 1992. he says you know, my gang has done pretty well. so leave the middle class alon
the white house is saying, if these tax cuts go away for the middle class and taxes rise and the amt patch goes away and taxes rise on the middle class, it would dramatically slow growth in gdp next year and would mean $200 billion less in consumers' pockets. what is this right out of the white house report? this reduction of $200 billion is approximately four times the total amount of the 226 million shoppers they spent on black friday weekend last year. they're trying to show you just how...
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instead of not raising taxes let's just talk about how much we're going to raise taxes, so it appears for the most part now conservatives are looking at changing some of the things they talked about and pledged when they were running for office and look this is a bigger issue to me. it is not necessarily about grover norquist or a pledge and what you run on as you head to congress. some of these speeches and we have all heard them and been to the rallies. they make promises that are virtually impossible to keep and that's the problem with the governance, the mind of not moving the ball forward in the current congress. you can't make promises you can't keep. these types of i will never do this and always do that, that's a bad way to start things off and you're seeing that now because they're having to change the rhetoric. >> i want to play sound from grover norquist. let's play it and i want to talk to you about it on the other side. take a listen. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. you have had people discussing impure thoughts on national television. we would highlight
instead of not raising taxes let's just talk about how much we're going to raise taxes, so it appears for the most part now conservatives are looking at changing some of the things they talked about and pledged when they were running for office and look this is a bigger issue to me. it is not necessarily about grover norquist or a pledge and what you run on as you head to congress. some of these speeches and we have all heard them and been to the rallies. they make promises that are virtually...
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todayself republica selveral red away from a pledge banning tax increases. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, and republicans should put revenue on the table. i want to cut rates to create jobs, but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i agree with saxby chambliss. a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1941 i would have signed -- supported a declaration of war against japan. i'm not going to attack japan today. the world has changed. >> does it mean we might be closer to a fiscal cliff compromise? athena jones takes a closer look. >> reporter: that's, of course, the big question here. we know in the meeting the president had with lawmakers the friday before thanksgiving there was a lot of positive talk coming out of that with leaders on both sides saying the meeting was constructive, that lawmakers understood their responsibilities, and that they were going to work to
todayself republica selveral red away from a pledge banning tax increases. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, and republicans should put revenue on the table. i want to cut rates to create jobs, but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i agree with saxby chambliss. a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for...
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one thing is all the taxes eventually get paid. you don't get away with not paying taxes just because you put money into an ira. you have to pay when you pull it out of retirement. the second thing is there is no doubt today people can lower their tax bill, it will be definitely lower the savings rate if we were to do that. and finally, $100 billion is what we could raise. that is a drop in the bucket. a trillion plus dollars deficit. we need way more than these kind of things to fix this. we need to cut spending. that is what we need to do. this is the only way we will balance the budget. melissa: you make a point not everyone has made, just the impact of the stock market of what is going on. raising taxes on investment doesn't even hurt as much as just how much government spending is going on. >> i will try. this is the heart of economics. call it the cloud or the smart phone or the tablet, those technologies to throw out productivity efficiency. and the games society makes from these technologies, we get reinvested, sort of the
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the extension of this tax relief is included in a larger tax cut bill that was passed out of the senate finance committee but again, like all other tax relief, it faces the danger of of the fiscal cliff. it's not just the mortgage settlements involved here. short sales have been a huge part of this housing recovery and if you have to pay taxes on a short sale -- let me tell you, most of those borrowers are just going to opt to go into foreclosure. sue? >> understandably so. diana, thank you very much. >>> up next, we're analyzing the analysts. on tap today, facebook, yahoo! and rimm. >>> plus we'll talk live with the ceo of land's end to get his take on the official kickoff of the holiday shopping season. you're watching "power lunch" on cnbc. >>> the national debt grew $112 million per month, on average, between june 2011 to june 2012. ♪ [ female announcer ] today, it's not just about who lives in the white house, it's about who lives in the yellow house, the green, and the apartment house, too. today we not only honor the oval office, but we honor the cubicle, and the home office as
the extension of this tax relief is included in a larger tax cut bill that was passed out of the senate finance committee but again, like all other tax relief, it faces the danger of of the fiscal cliff. it's not just the mortgage settlements involved here. short sales have been a huge part of this housing recovery and if you have to pay taxes on a short sale -- let me tell you, most of those borrowers are just going to opt to go into foreclosure. sue? >> understandably so. diana, thank...
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it's about unnecessary taxes. both don't want unnecessary taxes as well. as long as we are able to have an intelligent conversation and move away from the sound bites compromise is easier to be made. >> 37 days until then. >>> a voluntary recall for the generic version of the popular anti-cholesterol drug lipitor. the generic version is made by ranbaxy pharmaceuticals as seen in this entry from an online drugstore. it is feared glass particles may be in bottles of the drugs. the country based in india is calling back 40 batches of the generic pill. >>> if you didn't get your shopping fix this weekend, relax. there's cyber monday. could the internet's biggest shopping day soon be a thing of the past? and that makes me feel pretty good about it. and then i heard about a study looking at multivitamins and the long term health benefits. and what do you know? they used centrum silver in the study. makes me feel even better, that's what i take. sorry, we take. [ male announcer ] centrum. the most recommended. most preferred. most studied. centrum, always your mo
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vowing to raise taxes on the wealthy. another republican saxby chambliss of georgia, in a recent interview, says he's no longer bound by a pledge not to raise taxes. >> the pledge i signed 20 years ago was valid then. it's valid now but times have changed significantly, and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> reporter: but raising taxes is only one-half of a deficit deal. republicans want democrats to raise the eligibility age for medicare. >> i want entitlement reforms. republicans put revenue on the table, democrats always promise to cut spending. i'm looking for more revenue for entitlement reform before the end of the year. >> reporter: so far democrats sound lex flexible. >> we've got to make sure there is seamless coverage of afordable health coverage for every american. my concern about raising the retirement age gaps in coverage or coverage that's way too expensive for seniors to purchase. >> reporter: there are many potential cliffs but higher taxes for structural changes for m
vowing to raise taxes on the wealthy. another republican saxby chambliss of georgia, in a recent interview, says he's no longer bound by a pledge not to raise taxes. >> the pledge i signed 20 years ago was valid then. it's valid now but times have changed significantly, and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> reporter: but raising taxes is only one-half of a deficit deal. republicans want democrats to raise the eligibility age for medicare....
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but all of the other tax changes would be for next year's taxes, not this year's taxes. so you don't see that immediate impact. and then the stupid across-the-board cuts, congress should revisit that. we could find reductions of $100 billion that aren't across the board where you cut things that are useful and working well as much as things that are losers and go away. >> so under your theory and that of several ores, there's not as you referred to an economic calamity. but you and i both know for example wall street. we keep hearing these business leaders and so many others are nervous and we could see an immediate reaction there if some type of deal is not reached before january 1st. >> sure. the millionaires and billionaires, they've got a sweet deal now. they will make a lot of noise to say, raise my tax rates and i'll stop investing. of course, these are the same people who spent $400 million, $500 million to get a president hired that would cut their taxes. >> it would certainly affect it if the white house is saying you'll go off this cliff. you're looking at them
but all of the other tax changes would be for next year's taxes, not this year's taxes. so you don't see that immediate impact. and then the stupid across-the-board cuts, congress should revisit that. we could find reductions of $100 billion that aren't across the board where you cut things that are useful and working well as much as things that are losers and go away. >> so under your theory and that of several ores, there's not as you referred to an economic calamity. but you and i both...
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tax-exempt bonds sound good when taxes are going up but the value of the bonds have been bit up because panic buying is pushing our interest rates go up. you'll lose a lot of principle on munis bonds. if you buy one today you have a 1% to 2% chance to the upside and a 40% chance of losing money. that's not good odds. run away from interest rate-sensitive bonds. that's my number one, you know, tip of the day, if you want to call it. stay away from that. >> the takeaway from ed. thank you for joining us, stewart. a pleasure. >>. >> 12 minutes before the closing bell. right now the dow jones industrial average is lower by 54 points. nasdaq higher by 70 point. >> violent protests in egypt are one of the many hot spots around the globe affecting our markets. we'll round off all of them and find out how they are affecting your money coming up next. >>> plus, one top democrat says members of his party threatening to jump off the fiscal cliff. they say, do it already! he says that's a business mistake. sandra levin joins us from capital to tell us why he thinks it's a baddied. working since i w
tax-exempt bonds sound good when taxes are going up but the value of the bonds have been bit up because panic buying is pushing our interest rates go up. you'll lose a lot of principle on munis bonds. if you buy one today you have a 1% to 2% chance to the upside and a 40% chance of losing money. that's not good odds. run away from interest rate-sensitive bonds. that's my number one, you know, tip of the day, if you want to call it. stay away from that. >> the takeaway from ed. thank you...
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the mandate is to raise taxes. there was no mandate from the voters to tinker with social security and tinker with medicare, but at some point the president's going to put that on the table, and the question will his base let him do it? >> let me switch gears a bit. i want to ask you about senator john mccain. he, of course, has been very critical about the potential nomination of u.n. ambassador susan rice to be secretary of state, something that hasn't happened yet. he appeared to strike a more conciliatory tone over the weekend. i'm going to play two statements for you, john mccain a few weeks ago and john mccain yesterday and ask you about it on the other side. >> we will do whatever is necessary to block the nomination that's within our power as far as susan rice is concerned. >> i think she deserved the ability and the opportunity to explain herself and her position, just as she said. >> chuck, very quickly, is this a very significant change? >> reporter: it is and it tells you something that a lot of people
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if lawmakers fail to act by january 1st, the american people will face roughly $600 billion in tax increases and spending cuts. >>> because he watches "morning joe" every weekday morning -- >> i don't think that's true. maybe. >> -- monday through friday, senator john mccain is taking our advice and softening his attacks on susan rice. after vowing to block her potential nomination as secretary of state. now, republicans are claiming the ambassador deliberately misled the country in the aftermath of the september 11th attacks on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. but rice says she's not to blame, arguing that she relied on talking points from the intelligence community. now, although senator mccain had threatened a senate filibuster earlier this month, he says he's now open to meeting directly with ms. rice. >> is there anything that ambassador rice can do to change your mind about it? >> sure. she can give everyone the benefit of explaining their position and the actions that they took, and i'll be glad to have the opportunity to discuss these issues with her. >> she could conceivably get your
if lawmakers fail to act by january 1st, the american people will face roughly $600 billion in tax increases and spending cuts. >>> because he watches "morning joe" every weekday morning -- >> i don't think that's true. maybe. >> -- monday through friday, senator john mccain is taking our advice and softening his attacks on susan rice. after vowing to block her potential nomination as secretary of state. now, republicans are claiming the ambassador deliberately...
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its taxes for everybody. you cannot bring down the debt with a $5 trillion in your accumulated over the last four years to pay it down. you need structure readjustment with the entitlements, also, with social security, medicare, medicaid, also, and, also, the tax reform. the republicans have talked about revenue coming in from growth jobs and getting the economy going. when you get the economy going, you get more money coming into the irs and treasury/ when more americans are at work, they are paying. i don't believe it -- it is , woodymr. norquist said, it is a pledge to the people. some of those senators wanting to raise -- wanting not to raise taxes, that pledge, they knew what would happen to them, they would get run out of state. first i want to see president obama's cards on the table. host: jerry is up next in st. charles, missouri. good morning. caller: one of the things i would like to talk about is the waste in government. i see it continuously in ads on. on a completely off as far as a meter for yo
its taxes for everybody. you cannot bring down the debt with a $5 trillion in your accumulated over the last four years to pay it down. you need structure readjustment with the entitlements, also, with social security, medicare, medicaid, also, and, also, the tax reform. the republicans have talked about revenue coming in from growth jobs and getting the economy going. when you get the economy going, you get more money coming into the irs and treasury/ when more americans are at work, they are...
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equity. >> it was an issue of tax equity. it was very important to his base that he get the rates up. he's got to go to virginia where eric cantor has to face re-election in two years. >> he's wobbling. >> and you've got to keep the pressure on. because the cross-pressure on people like cantor and boehner. he's going to have to keep the pressure on them. >> there's a bunch of them out there, have a little rally. >> florida. he should be going to florida, ohio. these are states where republicans said they were going to win and they lost and the president has a strong argument to make right now which is, just fresh off his victory, this is what he didn't have in his first term. the fiscal cliff allows him to make an argument -- >> ladies, 47% of the country voted for country. only 1% gets the benefit of all of these tax cuts. >> i know. >> that's 46% that can steal from the other side. >> thank you. happy holidays. you're coming around this time of year. it's a nice time of year. >>> when we return, the republican assumption th
equity. >> it was an issue of tax equity. it was very important to his base that he get the rates up. he's got to go to virginia where eric cantor has to face re-election in two years. >> he's wobbling. >> and you've got to keep the pressure on. because the cross-pressure on people like cantor and boehner. he's going to have to keep the pressure on them. >> there's a bunch of them out there, have a little rally. >> florida. he should be going to florida, ohio....
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taxes rise. martha: even the white house is warning that the uncertainty of a potential tax hike could hurt american retailers during this deholiday shopping season. white house economists saying quote, as we approach the holiday season which accounts for 1/5 of industry sales, retailers can not afford the threat of tax increases on middle class families. bill: as we learn more about what each side is kill willing to concede in this argument president obama meets with leaders later in the week. this morning we'll meet with house majority leader eric cantor live in "america's newsroom.". next hour we talk to him where these negotiations are. how much each side is willing to give up and what they want in return. ultimately will they get a deal? eric cantor coming up next hour. martha: it is all in the language and semantics of these discussions. as u.s. lawmakers continue all this wrangling over some kind of budget deal we work towards here at home, european lawmakers are meeting today on their fin
taxes rise. martha: even the white house is warning that the uncertainty of a potential tax hike could hurt american retailers during this deholiday shopping season. white house economists saying quote, as we approach the holiday season which accounts for 1/5 of industry sales, retailers can not afford the threat of tax increases on middle class families. bill: as we learn more about what each side is kill willing to concede in this argument president obama meets with leaders later in the week....
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when you throw in the higher state taxes in cities and states promising millionaire tax hikes, not just affecting if millionaires. that brings us to 60%. that is 15 points higher. this isn't specious math. this is logical math. courtesy of the republican strategy hellbent on ignoring that for fear of getting it on rates. the republicans risk being snookered by the democrats who know the opponent's number. blinded in the grand old quest to keep rates moving up, they don't see the other side just taken them to cleaners. we are going to debate this tonight. you can watch other choices. but you can still watch him and watch me. i am a nice appetizer then. that's how i look at it. appetizer. if you did online shopping i'd be a good buy. you know a lot about the cyber bye. >> demand it! >> no. >> you were shopping. >> i was not. not doing anything. >> you were. >> was not. >> that is a laptop.
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take the alternative minimum tax. if the inflation index isn't advanced for that and i believe republicans and democrats want to do it, 23 million middle class americans will have a 2,000 to 3,000 dollars tax increase on that alone. >> let me interrupt you for a second. i was making this point a little earlier when you start talking about these financial things, you know, the i don't want so say minutia but the more specifics of the negotiations and what the numbers mean and the two different sides will tell you that the numbers are different, it is kind of hard for the average person on who doesn't have an mba to figure out what's going on here. >>> john mccain is suggesting the republican party should focus on bigger issues and leave abortion alone. during an interview yesterday the senator said while he is proud of his pro-life position, there are bigger things to worry about like the economy and national security. police are admitting they missed a potentially key piece of evidence in the casey anthony murder inve
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from taxes. but you are also right that there has to be transparency and there has to be accountability in terms of what is paid for. often we say, let's go and look at the kind of well-rounded education kids have and private schools. but the other thing is that public schools -- it is our moral obligation. what we're seeing is that kids have special needs, we have to pay more for education for kids the special needs. guest: president of the american federation of teachers. she was elected in july of 2008 following 11 years as a vice president. she has experience in the law and also teaches at clara barton high people in crown -- high school in crown heights. our next caller is keen on the democrat line. good morning. we actually have jim now from wisconsin, caller: indepen. caller: i would like to ask randi weingarten, first of all, she is from new york, if i remember. teachers to sit in classrooms and they do not have students -- they get paid. that is because of the unions. about an author who
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he says i would raise taxes if. then he lists this incredible list of reforms and entitlements that the democrats would never give him. i suggested, senator, you're offering to trade a tax increase for a pink unicorn that doesn't exist. >> you're saying this is never going to happen. because if a republican says, you know what, i am actually not going to go with the pledge that i have signed and i'm going to, you know, do this compromise and vote for that, would you then target that lawmaker? would you say, you know, you're lying. you changed your mind from the pledge. now i'm going to put the substantial weight and efforts of your organization to try to unseat that republican candidate? >> george hervert walker bush broke his commitment to the american people. i don't think the americans for tax reform even put out a press release. somehow the american people figured out he broke his commitment. he couldn't get 38% of the vote when he ran in a general. he didn't lose in a primary. he lost in a general election. rai
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gains tax rate. you know what all of it is? all of it is about can they govern? can they govern? can we be governed? can the people in washington, d.c., in the house and the senate and the president, can they govern? >> they have to. >> well, they have to. they absolutely have to. >> just to make a point for those who thought that the health care reform law was historic, many people -- i actually assume that most of the five people at this table think that it's a shocking thing that america is the most powerful country on earth before the health care law was passed, had a massive number of many, many millions of uninsured people in the country when every other industrialized country has universal coverage. >> right. we do all agree with that, right? >> one of the more historic things, it's going to move millions of uninsured people into the ranks of the civilized world. >> and as the president promised, also not only is he going to put 30 million people on the rolls for health care, it's also going t
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it benefits us the truth about $55 million in tax revenue. nightlife is the only significant industry in this city that sometimes gets treated at times as it is a nuisance, a problem to be managed. and of course, we have to focus on making sure it is safe and that people are complying with the laws and that we are not having shooting. but when you get so focused on combating the negatives -- every industry has the negatives. you can sometimes lose sight of the positives and we know there are a huge positives for nightlife in the city. we know that a lot of our street shares are at risk -- street fairs are at risk of being given fees to death. we have completely outdated the planning commission like that mission how are used district, which makes it extremely hard to do anything alcohol related in a big swath of the mission. there was a bowling alley that wanted to go in at 17th and van ness and they were not going to be able to do it because they would have been banned from even selling beer. that is the tip of the iceberg in terms of plannin
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rates or effective tax rates. there's ways of doing that. >> reporter: with the clock ticking and markets getting nervous, talks begin again this week amid tentative steps toward common ground. >> we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have to show the world we're adults. the election is over. >> nbc's mike viqueira reporting. >>> overseas to egypt where the country's newly elected leader has granted himself unchecked power sparking days of clashes and sending the country's stock market into a freefall. our reporter is in cairo with the very latest. ayman, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. egypt's stock market opened for a second straight day, and it plunged already by 4%. now, that's already a day after it lost 10%, and officials there had to stop trading just to prevent it from declining any further. that's the economic turmoil this country finds itself in. there are tons of other political and social unrest unfolding across the egyptian capital, cairo. a short while from now, mourners are going to be prayi
rates or effective tax rates. there's ways of doing that. >> reporter: with the clock ticking and markets getting nervous, talks begin again this week amid tentative steps toward common ground. >> we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have to show the world we're adults. the election is over. >> nbc's mike viqueira reporting. >>> overseas to egypt where the country's newly elected leader has granted himself unchecked power sparking days of clashes and sending the...
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the congress couldn't tax the american people but it could borrow money and asked -- and appointed john adams to go to france to try to raise money from the french government to pay for the revolution. and he decided to take his tenure old son john quincy adams with him firstborn son. john quincy adams buy then was a devoted patriot at 7-years-old when his father was in the continental congress. his mother abigail adams heard fire in the distance since she took her boy to the top of the health behind when the massachusetts and they could look across and they saw the battle of bunker hill and she took her boy down by the hand and began melting down the family pewter to make musket balls and she told her son at that time you must rikus to the head of your country and if you don't succeed it will be because of your own laziness. you must make a resolution in favor of what virtue come integrity and love of your country and that's how john and abigail adams raised their way from the beginning to be virtuous, honest and to love and serve his country. and so when john adams was sent to france,
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simplifying the tax code, keeping those marginal tax rates low. let's not create a worse in the distortions that already exist in the tax code. dagen: great to see you. take care. we will see you soon. connell: there it is. closing loopholes with norquist. we consider that a tax hike. dagen: lindsey graham. you made the point. loud and clear. a lot of people backing off. connell: backing off the pledge. people will be losing their benefits at the end of the year if congress does not act now. dagen: the money game for the holidays. americans are sitting at their computer screens, not working, looking for the perfect gift. take a look at oil. see where it is trading today. oil is at $87 a barrel. connell: eight quarter past the hour. we will have stocks now as we do every 15 minutes. nicole: we are at our session lows of the day. we certainly had a nice run up last week. over a 100-point game. we are losing about 100 points. i just checked on the dow jones industrials. twenty-eight of the names out of 30 were in the red. intel and caterpillar were t
simplifying the tax code, keeping those marginal tax rates low. let's not create a worse in the distortions that already exist in the tax code. dagen: great to see you. take care. we will see you soon. connell: there it is. closing loopholes with norquist. we consider that a tax hike. dagen: lindsey graham. you made the point. loud and clear. a lot of people backing off. connell: backing off the pledge. people will be losing their benefits at the end of the year if congress does not act now....
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. >> his power comes from this tax pledge. the last thing that he can afford to see more republicans peel off. if they do, then he can't get the next person to sign that pledge. >> tomorrow on "starting point" we're going to be talking to race car driver danica patrick and star of "pretty little liars." cnn newsroom with carols can to casse tell low begins now. >>> horror in bangladesh. two giant clothing factories there go up in flames. they might have made the clothes that are in your closet right now. thousands of workers protest the deaths of their colleagues. were safety warnings ignored? >>> republican rebellion? lindsey graham the latest lawmaker to buck a powerful gop lobbyist and his anti-tax pledge. we'll have the view from the edge of the so-called fiscal cliff. >>> one of the most recognizable voices in hollywood lends his voice to a pro-same-sex marriage ad. >> freedom, justice and human dignity have always guided our journey toward a more perfect union. now across our country, we are standing together for the rig
. >> his power comes from this tax pledge. the last thing that he can afford to see more republicans peel off. if they do, then he can't get the next person to sign that pledge. >> tomorrow on "starting point" we're going to be talking to race car driver danica patrick and star of "pretty little liars." cnn newsroom with carols can to casse tell low begins now. >>> horror in bangladesh. two giant clothing factories there go up in flames. they might have...
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should taxes go up. the discussion is how do you do it? >> exactly. and, listen, i think that to the extent we are just talking right now, i don't think that talking hurts. but should this become -- should this come in play, little there will be a lot of people on the left who will not be very happy. i think in some ways it is apples and oranges. i think what you're hearing is we will do this, however, you need to do the separate thing over there. i don't think social security has anything to do with it. >> let's talk raw numbers here. at the end of the day you have to find 218 house members. and in the past john boehner has said and, oh, by the way, his election is after the fiscal cliff. that happens a couple days after the fiscal cliff. so all of this maneuvering is complicated. to get to 218 he has said he wants a majority of the majority, which is approximately 120 republicans, so then you have to find some nearly 100 democrats to do this as well, and if that has social security and medicare in it,
should taxes go up. the discussion is how do you do it? >> exactly. and, listen, i think that to the extent we are just talking right now, i don't think that talking hurts. but should this become -- should this come in play, little there will be a lot of people on the left who will not be very happy. i think in some ways it is apples and oranges. i think what you're hearing is we will do this, however, you need to do the separate thing over there. i don't think social security has...
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but at least graham is voting to raise taxes on the wealthy. right? wrong. >> raises tax rates will hurt job creation so i agree with grover we should not raise rates. i will violate for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so he won't raise tax rates and entitlements need to be gutted. but that's more like it. let's see some more brave talk from the gop. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. there's a menu of options on the revenue side and on the entitlement side and as long as there are two parties that are willing to solve this problem, this is a very easy thing to do technically. what it takes is political courage. >> guess what? that political courage doesn't include ding, ding, ding, higher tack rates for the top 2%. but don't pay any attention to that. republicans want us to know that what's really important is that they are rejecting the norquist pledge. >> the lot that has been said about this pledge and i will tell you, when i go to the constituents that re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really
but at least graham is voting to raise taxes on the wealthy. right? wrong. >> raises tax rates will hurt job creation so i agree with grover we should not raise rates. i will violate for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> so he won't raise tax rates and entitlements need to be gutted. but that's more like it. let's see some more brave talk from the gop. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. there's a menu of options on the revenue side and...
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grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i t
grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the...
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the two big ones being on one hand tax increases, which republicans have resisted, and on the other, cuts to programs like social security and medicare, which democrats have resisted. but the good news is that after this thanksgiving weekend, we are seeing and hearing signs of a compromise. >> i am willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. >> from my side of the table, bring entitlement reform into the conversations. >> reporter: now, both lawmakers on either side, republicans, democrats, they are confident that they will get a deal before the deal is out. some say even before christmas. if a deal is not reached, we are looking at more than half a trillion dollars in tax increases and also about $100 billion in spending cuts. that will impact americans. just this morning, the white house released a new report estimating what that impact will be on the economy and the economic recovery. it's estimating that if we go over the fiscal cliff next year, shoppers, consumers will spend about $200 billion less. reporting live in washington, i'm dan yi
the two big ones being on one hand tax increases, which republicans have resisted, and on the other, cuts to programs like social security and medicare, which democrats have resisted. but the good news is that after this thanksgiving weekend, we are seeing and hearing signs of a compromise. >> i am willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. >> from my side of the table, bring entitlement reform into the conversations. >> reporter: now,...
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there will be lots of tax provisions, including the payroll tax cut, to consider. >> alan krueger, the chairman of the council of economic advisers at the white house, alan, thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks very figure me, wolf. >>> secret confidential information revealed in the confetti at this year evenings macy's's thanksgiving day parade. find out what spectators discovered just ahead. stay with us. you're in "the situation room." . meet the five-passenger ford c-max hybrid. c-max says ha. c-max says wheeee. which is what you get, don't you see? cause c-max has lots more horsepower than prius v, a hybrid that c-max also bests in mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. until i show them this. the oral-b pro-health clinical brush. its pro-flex sides adjust to teeth and gums for a better clean. the pro-health clinical brush from oral-b. wanted to provide better employee benefits while balancing the company's bottom line, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duc
there will be lots of tax provisions, including the payroll tax cut, to consider. >> alan krueger, the chairman of the council of economic advisers at the white house, alan, thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks very figure me, wolf. >>> secret confidential information revealed in the confetti at this year evenings macy's's thanksgiving day parade. find out what spectators discovered just ahead. stay with us. you're in "the situation room." . meet the...
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3.8% tax. this is going to happen regardless whatever comes out with the fiscal cliff. the "wall street journal" on saturday, the personal finance section did a great job explaining that. here it is, 3.8% tax, joint files of under $250,000. it's going to apply to dividends, x-munis. for now, munis not included. net capital gains, rents, royalties, and some investment annuities. what it is -- basically if a couple has adjusted gross income of $250,000, but they have $2,000 of interest, $4,000 of dividends and $1,000 in net capital gains would not apply. $240,000 -- but if you had capital gains, net capital gains of 10,000, you're in that threshold of 250, it's going to kick in and that 3.8% on that net, the net difference being $6,000 above 250 is 3.8%. $228. the point here is this is a number that everyone can at least try to think about and figure out where it is. this is happening no matter what happens with rise above. these are numbers you should start thinking about and planning right now
3.8% tax. this is going to happen regardless whatever comes out with the fiscal cliff. the "wall street journal" on saturday, the personal finance section did a great job explaining that. here it is, 3.8% tax, joint files of under $250,000. it's going to apply to dividends, x-munis. for now, munis not included. net capital gains, rents, royalties, and some investment annuities. what it is -- basically if a couple has adjusted gross income of $250,000, but they have $2,000 of interest,...